Audi: The time of the combustion engine is over, Renault: The combustion engine is not dead

Audi: The time of the combustion engine is over, Renault: The combustion engine is not dead

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Audi: The time of the combustion engine is over, Renault: The combustion engine is not dead



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18 thoughts on “Audi: The time of the combustion engine is over, Renault: The combustion engine is not dead

  1. As long as there is no way to make a decent profit from compact EVs (entry price around 25k), both are right.

    There is a reason, why the transition to EV started in the premium segment.

  2. Here we see two different strategies at work:

    One company aims to transition ahead of the curve, to reap the benefits of being among the first to shed legacy cruft;

    The other aims to be a little slow, to reap the benefits of being one of the last few to still offer an option to those customers who don’t embrace the new, and those international markets that don’t move as quickly as the rich west.

    Time will tell how it works out for them.

  3. Translation:

    > Audi Chief Technology Officer Oliver Hoffmann and Renault CEO Luca de Meo talked about the future of the auto industry at the Auto Motor und Sport Congress in Stuttgart. While the German premium brand is already thinking about an all-electric future, the French manufacturer wants to rely on internal combustion engines for longer.

    > At the event, Audi board member Oliver Hoffmann warned the auto industry to continue sticking to the internal combustion engine. “The era of the combustion engine is over, the age of electromobility is beginning. And with the end of the combustion engine, we are not saying goodbye to automotive high culture – on the contrary,” he said. “We need a new mindset, a new optimism,” Hoffmann demanded. He said that it is often still claimed in the industry that anyone can build electric cars, while combustion engines are still the high culture – a thesis that Hoffmann clearly contradicted.

    > In terms of e-mobility, many technological masterpieces have already been achieved. He was also pleased that the EU has already created better framework conditions for this. At the same time, however, development must not be driven by politics, but must act freely. “We engineers want to solve problems and master challenges,” Hoffmann said. That this also applies to synthetic fuels (“e-fuels”) and hydrogen is clear, he said. According to Hoffmann, these can also contribute to a sustainable future, but rather in other sectors of the economy.

    > “Other industrial sectors need e-fuels and green hydrogen much more urgently than we do,” the Audi manager said, referring to the cement and steel industries as well as aviation. The cement industry alone is responsible for 8 percent of global CO2 emissions, he said. According to Hoffmann, e-fuels would be better off here than in tanks of car engines, for which there is a better alternative with electrification.

    > Audi has announced that it will no longer launch any new cars with combustion engines on the global market from 2026. Internal combustion models are to be phased out completely at the brand by 2033 at the latest. Renault is also focusing on the electrification of its fleet, but internal combustion engines are to remain the main power source for the global car fleet for the time being.

    > “In 2030, no more than 35% of cars sold worldwide will be electric cars. Cars with internal combustion engines will have a 65% share,” Renault Group CEO Luca de Meo said at the Auto Motor and Sport Congress. “The internal combustion engine is not dead.” The auto industry needs to “keep its feet on the ground” and needs a “touch of humility for its ambitions,” de Meo said. “That explains why we don’t believe the internal combustion engine is dead.”

    > At the convention, the Renault president called for a Plan B for the 2.5 billion cars on the planet that use internal combustion engines. He cited, for example, the expansion of alternative fuels, E85 fuels, greater use of hybrid technologies. At the same time, he said, the Renault Group would continue to electrify the models of its Renault and Alpine brands, while the low-cost Dacia brand would only enter the field of electromobility later. De Meo did not specify a timeframe.

  4. One is a brand which is faring good financially.
    The other is a brand which was bailed out quite recently.

    Renault got overtaken by the competition. Stellantis, VW offer more for the same price. More range, more modern systems, faster charging. For a similar price nonetheless.
    The Zoe isn’t bad, but compared to the Stellantis offerings it stands out with 22kw AC, 52kWh battery and worse efficiency.
    The Megane isn’t bad either, but compared to the ID.3 it offers a nicer interior and 22kW AC. For 45.000€ I get 77kWh battery on the ID.3 and faster DC charging.
    Been driving one today and was left pleasantly surprised for the progress they made compared to my Zoe. But IMO they ask a much higher price than their competitors for stuff that the competition was already offering.

    I won’t be buying a new Renault next year when my lease expires, my current Zoe will be the last for a while. The Megane, although nice it’s not for me due to the fact that I view Renault as a budget brand and they view themselves as a premium brand, with the prices that come attached to that fact.

  5. I feel like by 2035 there will be better batteries that are cheaper, EV makers will design their cars to be more efficient, solar panels would be more advanced, and more people would be using them.

  6. I think for fast car: ice is over: this is where Tesla thrive. for the lower end market: ev still can’t compete with ice/hybrids. still cost too much. EV still requires incentives in many western countries. poorer countries can’t afford incentive and henceforth don’t have much EV sold.

  7. Are we to make the conclusion Renault will be no more after ca 2035?

    35% BEVs by 2030 sounds really low, by then the battery material problems should be much less either with better availability of existing materials or with alternative materials for the batteries.

  8. My expectation is that EV’s will continue to gain popularity and acceptance over the next 20 years. And ICE cars will decline. In 20 years, I expect to see at least half of the cars on the road to be EV’s. And in 30 years, 1 in 20 cars will be an ICE car.

    People are tired of gas prices. This most recent gas price hike was the tipping point. This is what’s driving EV acceptance.

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