Do You Really Need An EV With A 300-Mile Range?

Do You Really Need An EV With A 300-Mile Range?

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Do You Really Need An EV With A 300-Mile Range?



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42 thoughts on “Do You Really Need An EV With A 300-Mile Range?

  1. Yes.

    300 miles EPA range in mild weather,

    reduced by driving at highway speed on long drives,

    reduced by cold weather,

    reduced by battery degradation,

    reduced by not charging to 100% at quick stops…

    …and in some parts of the US chargers are over 200 miles apart.

    Someday when EV fast chargers are everywhere, then maybe 250 miles EPA range will be enough.

  2. I’ve kept polling places we have gone through the year and I can say “yes”. Especially with our infrastructure.

    If we had a good series of charger networks that had good maintenance, maybe not. But also when we do take our once or twice a year long (many hours) trips, we travel 300 miles or more until we refill in our ICE vehicle. We like to get the trip over and get to our destination, so not being able to actually get 300 miles at highway speeds is a HUGE bummer, but even more it’s even worse when your charger network is L2 or 150kW L3 so instead of 8 minutes you’re looking at 30+.

    We go from NW OH to S. NC and it takes 12 hours between pee / food / gas breaks. It stretches EASILY into 13-14hrs with crappy chargers. That’s not insignificant, & that is also with running the battery routinely from 10-90%, which I’m not comfy doing in the damned mountains.

    So yes. Yes we ABSOLUTELY need 300 mile EV’s, and TBH we need 400+ mile ones bc my ICE gets upwards of that on a full tank.

  3. At the risk of being downvoted into infinity… yes I need a car to go 300+ miles for range.

    I travel long distances with nothing but wilderness in between. My current ICE travels about 400 on a full tank. And at times I’ve pushed her to the limits for gas.

    (Yes I could stop to charge. Yes I know EV’s are the way to go. However infrastructure in my part of the world is sparse and phone reception is spotty as well).

  4. If I turn on the heater in freezing temperatures, the range drops low enough that I might not be able to make it between two superchargers, so it’s either a 300 mile range or more superchargers.

  5. I guess it would be possible with a 200 mile range EV but I would have needed to drive 55 instead of 85 MPH. There is a stretch of 178 miles that takes about 85% of the EV6 RWD’s battery. When you charge 6 times in one day, it is great to be able to skip a station or two.

  6. Need at least 300, in the winter. EV’s are too expensive for what you get right now. However I’m so excited to see all of the amazing new technology and invasions that come from new battery technology.

  7. If you charge from 20% – 80%, you’re only getting 60% of the battery. That’s pretty typical for a fast charge on road trips. So a car with 300 miles of range will only give you 180 miles of usable range. As chargers proliferate, you might be able to reliably get under that 20% and still make it to the next charger. But after 80% of charge, the charging speed will still slow to a crawl.

  8. Yes because road trips are a pain in the ass if you need to stop every 90 minutes or so since you are effectively driving with 60 percent of your battery after you get to your first stop. Plus range loss in the winter is brutal.

  9. Would strongly prefer 400-500 miles.

    300 works okish for road trips, but I’d get to my destination much faster with fewer and shorter (bigger batteries charge at max rate for longer) supercharger stops.

  10. Most drivers need 30 miles of range (after loss for cold weather/ highway speeds), and occasionally need 200-300 for road trips. GM nailed this with the Volt 10 years ago and should have offered ithe powertrain on almost every vehicle in their lineup.

  11. Yes, wtf. I can’t understand why people even ask this. In order for mass adoption there needs to a true 300 mile ev on the market. Your average person may not drive that far in a day but they still want the capability should the need arise.

  12. My two BEVs have both had 220ish miles of range, and combined I’ve got about 4 years and 50,000 miles, roughly half of that on long distance road trips.

    I’ve had exactly one situation where the only reasonable ‘fix’ would have been a bigger battery. I got stuck in a 10-hour highway closure – If I had a 300 mile battery, I would have had enough power to continue on to my destination.

    It was a pretty big bummer, I ended up missing my friend’s party because my only option was spending a few *more* hours at an RV park to top up.

    If that’s a risk that’s likely for your use case, and it’s a risk that makes you reconsider a given car, that’s totally fair. I know it’s not the right trade-off for many, [but](https://i.imgur.com/F5K5lPT.jpg) it doesn’t [have](https://i.imgur.com/dsrlKW2.jpg) to [be](https://i.imgur.com/ZJgk62R.jpg) a dealbreaker, [ya know?](https://i.imgur.com/fnhHlMT.jpg)

  13. I’d personally love ~200 miles of range and ~15 minute 10-80% DCFC. 200 miles would more than cover our most common long drive and if we could reliably fast charge every ~2 hours (150 miles), I’d be happy to use it for longer trips up to the point where we’d likely fly anyways. If VW could get their 170kW charging into their standard sized battery (62kWh) and the curve was reasonable, you wouldn’t quite hit the 15 minute mark, but you’d be close. Unfortunately, it seems like the standard pack is going to get something slower (hopefully at least 130kW).

  14. The range issue is masking the real issue: charging convenience. No one buys a conventional ICE car based on the range. Sure MPG is a factor, but RANGE??

    “How many miles can my Accord go before needing to refuel? Don’t care!” Just need to stop by any one of a zillion gas stations for a quick 5 minute fill up at the pump that has the same standard fueling nozzle as any other gas station which are conveniently located everywhere (including across from each other on street corners and highway exits.)

    Yes, most EVs owners charge their cars at home with no regular need for third party charging. Super convenient most of the time because no one has a gas station in their garage to refuel their ICE car overnight. But, when a charger is needed on a road trip, or to top off it’s still pretty inconvenient when compared to use of gas stations.

    The point is this: if every single gas station also had a Supercharger that could charge any EV battery from 0-90% in 5 minutes I’m fairly confident range anxiety would entirely disappear.

  15. People who are worried about range aren’t going to feel better when you blow off their concerns and say “you don’t need more range”. What about when you forget to charge over night? When it’s cold and you lose a ton of range or emergencies when i need to drive further then expected and don’t have time to charge? What about people who live in places like NYC where it would be damn near impossible to even get a spot close enough to youre apartment to charge the thing?

  16. I need one as a family vehicle that can safely make the round trip to my dad’s place over 120km away in all conditions.

    Our second vehicle can have a smaller range.

  17. 300 miles in ideal conditions is 200 miles in winter. The round trip from Seattle to Stevens Pass to ski is 164 miles. I could charge on the way home in Monroe but I’d rather have the range to do the trip nonstop.

    There are a few slow chargers up at the resort but they get snagged pretty quickly.

  18. Sigh. Here we go again. So not counting my frequent 275 mile trips (one way) through less than ideal conditions for EVs with crappy fast charging infrastructure in place along the way… I couldn’t really do with less than what I have now which is a real world range of about 200 miles so far (late spring and summer weather conditions).

    I don’t need more range since we do have a gas car for the longer trips, but we won’t always have that. Either batteries and charging infrastructure need to significantly improve, or I need that 300-mile, real world winter range through mountain passes at 70 mph for the BEV to be an only car or for us to get a second BEV.

    Perhaps that’s a good argument for a PHEV, but then we couldn’t charge it everyday because we would have to charge the BEV every 2-3 days or so. So I guess an HEV? But those are generally so unpleasant compared to a BEV or a nice gas vehicle like we have. And we don’t even want to drive that gas car now that we have the EV. So a hybrid of any sort just seems less and less appealing. But that becomes more of an issue of what we *want* and not so much what we *need* as a two-vehicle/two driver household.

  19. Yes.

    A 300-mile *EPA* range, that is.

    I have no interest in traveling 300 miles in a single day, but there are so many variables that reduce real-world range that to guarantee 200 miles between charges you’re going to need a 300 mile EPA rated EV.

    Note this problem isn’t unique to EV’s. Nearly all the factors that affect EV real-world range also affect ICE vehicles. Just replace battery degradation with engine wear.

  20. No.

    I need, 100 miles per day tops in all conditions likely to be experienced (typically -5 to +30, which only occurs on a handful of says. Most of the time temps are 5-20).

    That is all. We have charging at home and at work, but home is very slow and work is a) quite expensive and b) not plentiful so the option to not charge at work must be available.

    The furthest I would ever need to drive is 250 miles. And that would be 1-2 times a year and definitely requires a decent stop in the middle.

    More frequently (maybe 10-15 times a year) is needing to drive 140 miles at motorway speeds in one go. But 90%+ of my driving could be covered by a car with “guaranteed” 100 miles.

  21. Yes. 450 miles of range is probably the sweet spot. Anyone who actually has an EV knows it doesn’t actually get the EPA range. So 450 miles of EPA rated range means 400ish miles of highway driving, or cold weather driving, and will give a nice buffer for when degradation sets in. It also makes up for the longer stops to charge on road trips and the lack of fast charging infrastructure. My road tripping style is you drive for as long as you can stomach and stop for the shortest time possible. I wanna get to my destination, not take my sweet time. Maybe one day when there are 350kw fast chargers everywhere and EVs charge to full in 10 minutes we could settle for EVs that only have 300 miles of real world range. Until then we need longer ranges.

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