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EU Wants To Phase Out PHEVs Sooner To Accelerate EV Transition



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24 thoughts on “EU Wants To Phase Out PHEVs Sooner To Accelerate EV Transition”
  1. For PHEV enthusiasts, read the article before clutching your pearls. PHEV production is not being forbidden, they would be excluded from being marketed as a sustainable investment by the middle of the decade.

  2. I think the head of Toyota may implode, he is still trying to convince the public that his hybrids are “self charging”

  3. I just want a reasonably priced electric or hybrid car… Seems too much of a luxury still

  4. honestly, at least in germany, it would already help immensely if PHEVs wouldnt be subsidised as company cars. The amount of people I personally know, who have a PHEV just to pay the 0.5% tax rate and drive them 95% as a regular ICE, makes me think that it has to be a wide spread issue.
    Makes absolutely zero sense

  5. I bought a model 3 in 2018 and my wife and I used to road trip in it. After years of frustrating charging experiences and not being able to safely get to places in the wilderness we wanted to go with enough charge to return, we decided to buy a PHEV. Now we have a second car, a BMW X3 that gets 22-24mi range in summer, and 14-16mi in winter. The car is on electric 100% of the time in Chicago. Even when it runs out of electricity it gets acceptable highway mpg in the mid-30s. For our use case this PHEV has been amazing and really made us enjoy road trips again.

    I know that many of us EV fans are willing to tolerate 30-45 minute charging times every few hours in an EV on a road trip, but I think we’re fooling ourselves when we argue this is somehow better than an ICE. While I may think EV tech is cool, my friends and relatives are more often frustrated by the significant time added by charging than anything else. I think there is one frontier left for EVs to conquer, other than price, and that is charging times.

  6. Seems a little weird to me. PHEVs have life cycle emissions at or below full BEVs at the current state of technology (according to most sources), make better use of the limited battery production capacity, cost less than BEVs allowing the electrified fleet to expand faster, and have better technical characteristics (range, refueling time and refueling infrastructure). Maybe regulators are figuring BEVs will catch up soon, and the long range segment will get occupied by hydrogen EVs.

  7. I love my PHEV. The problem with it is most people don’t take advantage of it, or the use case doesn’t really fit their actual use.

    I find the opposite is true of people never charging, I see people that only charge and should have just bought an EV It’s amazing how many people I see in my owners forum that are excited about putting gas in the car in the once a year. I tell them if that’s the case, you should have bought an EV.

    The reality is charging infrastructure sucks and people are worried about being able to charge at places other than home. PHEVs remove that worry and that’s why they’re a key product in the market, for now.

  8. When battery goes better and charging infrastructure goin common, there is no reason to continue PHEV.

    PHEV will stay a while but only performance models. The current battery hasn’t been perfect for these models.

  9. PHEVs are being phased out too soon. I’m still disappointed that the Voltec platform never made it into the equinox.

    PHEV technology makes so much sense for trucks. I’d love to have a truck that can do all my daily driving on electric and still haul a trailer 6 hours away in the snow at highway speeds at the drop of a hat.

  10. So, I shouldn’t buy a Passat GTE and just wait for the Tesla Model 3 to become “*buy with a big stack of cash*” money.

    I just have a personal grudge for PCP deals and such. I mean… This pandemic and not being allowed to work for ⅔ of the year kindda validates my issue.

  11. Good. Of course, I’m in the UK [thanks Brexit] so we may do our own thing. Fingers crossed we at least match the EU.

    I’m sure there are significant numbers who use a PHEV or even better an EREV properly. But PHEVs can be abused. One just goes around on the petrol engine – everywhere. Phase them out just as quickly as full blown petrols and diesels and let’s stop messing around. Get the battery cars in and get the charging infrastructure properly filled out.

  12. Good.

    The “woke-early-adopter” contingent will enthusiastically plug in.

    Everyone else will keep doing exactly what they’re doing now because it’s easier.

    If the cost gap per mile for plug in driving was better, people would be more enthusiastic to plug in, in order to save themselves money. But it’s not. At least in the US.

  13. As an EV driver I think this is good, but the change might be to radical for a lot of people. With an PHEV it is an slow introduction. They can test out what it takes to handle an ev car (planing the route along chargers etc.).

    The one thing I dont like about PHEVs is that most people drive/treat them as ICE vehicle and are rarely charging it. I guess the tax credit and incentives are too good lol Maybe they should cut the tax credits and incentives for PHEVs…

  14. I bought a Leaf in 2019 (the newer shape, not the one that looks like a blancmange).
    I couldn’t be happier. I drove to Scotland from Southampton (just over 400 miles) and I had no problem with the charging network along the way.
    Charging and driving is a joy and couldn’t be happier.
    I bought it outright and after incentive and haggling it was £27k for the Tekna. From my perspective I see no reason to be worried about public charge networks but it takes driving/owning one to become comfortable with it.
    With so many manufacturers coming out with EVs now I think it’s a no brainer and second hand market is vibrant now. Yes still more expensive initially (new or used) but it’s definitely getting there.
    No regrets.

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