Purchasing Advice and General Discussion Thread — Week of October 03, 2022

Purchasing Advice and General Discussion Thread — Week of October 03, 2022

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Need help choosing an EV? Have something to say that doesn’t quite work as its own post? Vehicle recommendation requests, buying experiences, random thoughts, and questions on financing are all fair game here.

# Is an EV right for me?

Generally speaking, electric vehicles imply a larger upfront cost than a traditional vehicle, but will pay off over time as your consumables cost (electricity instead of fuel) can be anywhere from 1/4 to 1/2 the cost. Calculators are available to help you estimate cost — here are some we recommend:

* [https://www.chargevc.org/ev-calculator/](https://www.chargevc.org/ev-calculator/)
* [https://chooseev.com/savings-calculator/](https://chooseev.com/savings-calculator/)
* [https://electricvehicles.bchydro.com/learn/fuel-savings-calculator](https://electricvehicles.bchydro.com/learn/fuel-savings-calculator)
* [https://chargehub.com/en/calculator.html](https://chargehub.com/en/calculator.html)

# Are you looking for advice on which EV to buy or lease?

*First, see if you match any of these cases we see most commonly:*

**Located in USA/Canada, budget of \~$50K, looking for a Crossover/SUV BEV:**

* Hyundai Ioniq 5
* Kia EV6
* Volkswagen ID.4
* Ford Mustang Mach-E

**Located in USA/Canada, budget of \~$50K, looking for a Crossover/SUV PHEV:**

* Toyota RAV4 Prime
* Hyundai Tucson PHEV
* Kia Sorento PHEV

**Located in USA/Canada,** **budget of \~$35K:**

* Kia Niro EV
* Hyundai Kona EV
* Chevy Bolt / Bolt EUV
* Nissan Leaf

**Located in Europe, budget of \~€/£30K, looking for a hatchback:**

* [Peugeot e-208](https://ev-database.org/car/1583/Peugeot-e-208)
* [MG ZS](https://ev-database.org/car/1540/MG-ZS-EV-Standard-Range)
* [Renault Zoe](https://ev-database.org/car/1236/Renault-Zoe-ZE40-R110)
* [Renault Megane E-Tech](https://ev-database.org/car/1536/Renault-Megane-E-Tech-EV40-130hp)

**Don’t fit the above patterns?** Tell us a bit more about you and your situation, and make sure your comment includes the following information:

>\[1\] Your general location
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>\[2\] Your budget in $, €, or £
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>\[3\] The type of vehicle you’d prefer
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>\[4\] Which cars have you been looking at already?
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>\[5\] Estimated timeframe of your purchase
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>\[6\] Your daily commute, or average weekly mileage
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>\[7\] Your living situation — are you in an apartment, townhouse, or single-family home?
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>\[8\] Do you plan on installing charging at your home?
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>\[9\] Other cargo/passenger needs — do you have children/pets?

Read it Too  Traditional Auto Firms Face Overcapacity as EV Market Blooms

*If you are more than a year off from a purchase, please refrain from posting, as we currently cannot predict what the markets and choices will be at that time.*

# Check the Wiki first.

Don’t forget, our Wiki contains a wealth of information for owners and potential owners, including:

* [EV Databases](https://www.reddit.com/r/electricvehicles/wiki/index/evreleases)
* [Dealer Markup Tracking](https://www.reddit.com/r/electricvehicles/wiki/index/dealermarkuptracker)
* [General Resources](https://www.reddit.com/r/electricvehicles/wiki/index/resources)

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8 thoughts on “Purchasing Advice and General Discussion Thread — Week of October 03, 2022

  1. Thinking of pulling the trigger next year and wondering what’s coming up in EV performance sedans. Had a drive of the i4 and RS E-tron GT and sort of want something in the middle. Like the idea of a M50 or full-M i4, RS4 e-tron or even the Dodge Charger, but I’d like to know if there’s anything else on the way

    [1] New Zealand
    [2] $$$-$$$$
    [3] Performance Sedan
    [4] i4, RS E-tron GT
    [5] Deposit down mid next year
    [6] Daily commute ~30km/20miles
    [7] Apartment/townhouse
    [8] Charging available
    [9] Ideally able to fit two mountain bikes in the back and/or tow bar/hitch for a mountain bike rack.

    Thoughts?

  2. 1) Southern California
    2) around 50k budget
    3) sedan/hatchback
    4) polestar 2, Ioniq 5, ev6 wind, Chevy bolt
    5) flexible timeframe of purchase
    6) daily commute = 160 miles (80 mi one way)
    7) townhouse with garage
    8) yes, plan to install charging
    9) no children or pets

  3. I’m in central Jersey, with a budget of around 50k$ to lease. So I currently have an order in for the VW ID4 (not locked yet) but I did a test drive on the Ioniq 5 recently and really loved the sport mode/general feel of the car. I have a dog who likes riding shotgun and don’t drive around too much, just wanted a new tech-y car.

    I think that the ID4’s are being put together in TN, so apparently they’re eligible for the federal tax credit still, according to the dealership. NJ has their own tax credit too, which pushes the car down even further. I’m wondering if it’s worth it to pay the premium for the ioniq, which i think i can get down to 4k$ down and 650$ a month at some dealers, or just wait for the numbers for the ID4.

  4. [1] DFW Area, Texas, USA

    [2] 10,000$ Down, trying to limit my monthly payment to 600$ so probably 50,000$ max

    [3] Sedan Body Style would be fine, don’t particularly enjoy driving large body vehicles

    [4] Tesla, Leaf, and Ioniq – Also non-electric but Honda Insight

    [5] Nothing concrete, looking after New Year 2023

    [6] 4 mile commute, up to 15 miles round trip for weekly groceries

    [7] Apartment living, no on site charging stations

    [8] Unlikely option for me, plenty of charging stations at my workplace

    [9] No habit of hauling around large items, only pets are cats.

    Don’t plan on road tripping too often, and the route back to my home state while not plentiful with chargers the highway/ turnpike does have a few at keep points.

  5. [1] Your general location – Bay Area, CA
    – USA=

    [2] Your budget in $ – $50k

    [3] The type of vehicle you’d prefer – No preference

    [4] Which cars have you been looking at already?
    VW ID.4 or Tesla Model 3

    [5] Estimated timeframe of your purchase – 3-6months, no rush honestly

    [6] Your daily commute, or average weekly mileage – about 40miles, can stretch to 90miles a few times a month (depends when I need to go to office). However, ability to drive from here to SoCal would be nice!

    [7] Your living situation — are you in an apartment, townhouse, or single-family home? – Single family home

    [8] Do you plan on installing charging at your home? – Plan to install a 240v outlet for L2 Charging, but worst case stick with 120v L1 since we’re work from home and take the car out maybe 4 times a week at most?

    [9] Other cargo/passenger needs — do you have children/pets? – No pets, but plan to have kids soon

    My thoughts about the TM3 and VW ID.4

    TM3: Non-Tesla owners want one, but Tesla owners seem to hate/regret the M3. That said, I took a TM3 down to LA and it was great! We stopped at 2 superchargers, and it was honestly nice to be forced to take a 30min break over the 7hr drive.

    Pros:

    * Quiet even at highway speed
    * Ample amount of power to pick up speed and overtake
    * Felt quite comfortable for the long 7-8 hour drive. However, it Quiet, ample amount of power and felt quite comfortable for the long haul.
    * Loved how simple the dash was
    * Sentry mode + dashcam!

    Cons:

    * Questionable issues with the Teslas, ranging from the mechanics of the car (paint quality, body panels not aligned, water leaks, rust issues, front suspension issues, glass pressure cracking, charge port issues) to the software of the car. Also, I had a friend who had a M3, and after 20k miles, they sold it due to the seats feeling like they lost support and started to feel uncomfortable.
    * As simple as the dash was, it was a bit weird to use (but maybe something to get used to)
    * Sentry/dashcam quality is quite bad for a car in 2022…
    * ​

    VW ID.4: I took one for a short 5mile test drive.

    Pros:

    * Felt nice and spacious, and a bit more luxurious than the TM3 in a different way. However, oddly enough also felt smaller than the TM3 – I guess due to more clutter on the dash?
    * Much cheaper and backed by a well known brand
    * Materials felt a bit higher quality than the TM3

    Cons:

    * Touch sensitive buttons – I didn’t realize how bad they were until I test drove it. I did on one occasion swipe the volume control unexpectedly while turning.
    * Infotainment is awfully slow – when we got in the car and started it, we waited a solid 20-30secs before it was responsive, during that time, the sales person tried taking away our attention from it
    * brakes felt extremely linear but didn’t really inspire confidence (I was getting off the highway, and really had to get into the brakes to stop. That said, I do have aggressive performance pads with steel braided brake lines in my current car, so that could also be it too).
    * One pedal driving – I’m not sure but our sales rep told us we can’t disable it.
    * Odd shifter – maybe something to get used to

  6. I’m looking at getting a used Chevy volt (2nd gen).

    I am avoiding full EVs for the moment for a few reasons. I lack the funds to afford one I really like, would be unable to install a level 2 charger in my apartment, and charging infrastructure where I live (new Orleans) is not good enough yet to realistically charge non-tesla vehicles without home charging capabilities.

    The volt has the perfect electric-only range for my daily commute (<20miles round trip) and even has enough range to make my regular longest trip to my parents home (25m each way) on battery alone. And I should be able to charge it just fine with a L1 charger in my driveway most days, with gasoline as a back-up.

    My only concern is whether or not I should purchase it now or wait until the new year. From my research, I’ve noticed that used EVs and PHEVs will be eligible for a $4000 tax credit via the Inflation Reduction Act, with some stipulations. The car much be 2 years old or more, it must be bought from a dealer, the sticker price much be less than $25k, and you can only claim the credit once on each EV in it’s lifetime. Most Chevy volts seem to meet all of these requirements.

    If I were to purchase a volt right now, would I be able to claim the text credit come next year? I know the bill doesn’t technically take affect until Jan 1 2023, however when I go to file my 2022 taxes next year the bill will be active. I am just unsure on how me pruchasing before then affects the tax credit eligibility.

  7. I’m looking for either a Chevy Bolt or Nissan Leaf.

    1: NYC, USA

    2: About $25k give or take

    3: a small electric hatchback

    4: Chevy Bolt or Nissan Leaf

    5: now to a few months

    6: I drive about 100 miles a day and very rarely drive over 200 miles a day.

    7: Single family home

    8: I have a charger installed

    9: I may have a bike in the cargo area.

  8. I am looking for a used electric car.
    I am located in Central Europe, the budget is max. 20.000 €. A smaller vehicle for commuting would be sufficient. So far, I have looked at the Renault ZOE, there are quite a lot of used ones for sale starting at around €10k. I have also looked at the BMW i3. The plan is to buy within the next 6 months, but there is no real pressure.

    As I said, I will use this car almost exclusively for commuting, around 25 km per day. Range is not an issue, a small battery would be sufficient. I have a garage that will get a wallbox. I need space for two child car seats.

    I also have a specific question regarding charging. It would be advantageous to be able to charge the car with a low voltage (current?) to use installed solar power. As far as I know this is not possible for the Renault ZOE as it has a minimum charging voltage.

    Any advice?

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